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Harris: Trump, Pence ‘don’t believe in science’
Harris slammed the Trump-Pence administration on environmental policy, accusing the administration of not “believing in science.”
“Joe understands that the west coast of our country is burning including my home state of California,” Harris said.
“Joe believes in science,” she said. “We’ve seen a pattern from this administration – and that’s they don’t believe in science.”
Harris did not directly address a question about her past support for the new Green New Deal. She pushed back at Pence’s charges that Biden wants to ban fracking.
“Joe Biden will not ban fracking,” she said.
Moderator Susan Page then asked Pence whether he believes climate change is an existential threat to the country.
“We’ll follow the science,” Pence said, but then quickly shifted, accusing Harris and Biden of wanting to raise taxes.
— Joey Garrison
Pence’s interruptions drawing boos on social media
Pence has made his share of interruptions over both Harris and debate moderator Susan Page, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed on social media.
“A white man talking over two women is a very 1950s approach to debating,” tweeted Barack Obama administration official Chris Lu.
Republicans say Pence is just trying to set the record straight, but other observers said it has set a mood.
“Pence not exactly looking like a Happy Warrior,” historian Michael Beschloss tweeted.
– David Jackson
Harris, Pence contrast on style, not just policy
In the first 30 minutes of the debate, the contrast between the liberal African American senator from California and the conservative vice president from Indiana wasn’t just policy, it was style as well.
Harris was animated, smiling often and repeatedly shaking her head when she disagreed with Pence. Pence was more measured, interrupting at times, telling her at one point “you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your facts.”
At one point, Harris talked about the “memorable” day that Biden offered her a place on the ticket.
“I though of my mother who came to the U.S. (from India) at the age of 19 … And the thought that I’d be sitting here I know would make her proud,” she said, as she briefly looked skyward. “She must looking down on us.
Pence graciously acknowledged her place in history.
“I never expected to be on the stage four years ago so I know the feeling,” he said.
— Ledyard King
Back-and-forth on Taxes
Pence said the “American economy” is on the ballot, in response to a question about taxes.
“You just heard Sen. Harris tell you, on Day 1, Joe Biden is going to raise your taxes,” Pence said.
Harris protested: “That’s not what I said.”
Pence then accused Biden of wanting to also “bury the economy under a Green New Deal,” abolish fossil fuels and ban fracking.
Harris retorted that she thought “this is supposed to be a debate based on facts.”
“You’re entitled to your own opinion but you’re not entitled to your own facts,” she said.
— Maureen Groppe
Harris attacks Trump taxes
Sen. Kamala Harris attacked President Donald Trump for how much he paid in income taxes, after the New York Times reported he paid $750 a year for two recent years.
“We now know Donald Trump owes and is in debt for $400 million,” Harris said in response to a question about greater transparency about the health of a president. “It’d be really good to know who the commander in chief owes money to because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the president’s decisions.”
“Donald Trump has been about covering up everything,” Harris added.
Vice President Mike Pence shook his head as Harris spoke. Pence said Trump has called the report inaccurate and that he paid tens of millions of dollars in payroll and property taxes.
Pence called Trump a businessman who created tens of thousands of jobs. Pence said Trump began four years ago to “turn this economy around, cutting taxes, rolling back regulations, fighting for free and fair trade.”
— Bart Jansen
Harris says she and Biden share same values
Harris said Biden chose her as his running mate because they share the same values.
“Joe and I were raised in a very similar way,” she said. “We were raised with values that are about our work, about the value and the dignity of public service, and about the importance of fighting for the dignity of all people.”
Harris said she and Biden “share a purpose, which is about lifting up the American people.”
— Michael Collins, Salt Lake City
Dodging the question
Pence didn’t answer the question posed by the moderator who asked he’s talked to Trump about what would happen if Trump can’t adequately do his job.
Under the 25th amendment, the president can temporarily transfer power to the vice president if he can’t sufficiently handle his duties. That could happen if, for example, the president’s COVID-19 illness worsens.
Instead, Pence accused Harris of playing politics by saying she wouldn’t take Trump’s word that a vaccine is safe. He also attacked the Obama administration’s handling of the swine flu.
“Harris also didn’t tackle the question head-on either; instead, she talked about her qualifications for the job.
— Maureen Groppe
Harris says she wouldn’t trust Trump’s word on a vaccine
During a spirited back and forth with Pence over the Trump administration’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, Harris said she would only take a vaccine to treat COVID-19 if medical experts endorse it.
She made clear she would not do so if only Trump says to take the vaccine. “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it – absolutely,” Harris said. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”
Pence accused Harris of “undermining the public confidence in a vaccine.”
— Joey Garrison.
Pence says administration trusts American people to follow guidelines despite White House outbreak
Vice President Mike Pence said the Trump administration has “great confidence” in the American people to follow federal health guidelines on stopping the spread of the coronavirus despite a Rose Garden event 11 days ago that has emerged as a potential super spreader event for senior adminsitration officials and congressional officials.
President Donald Trump, several White House officials and congressional allies tested positive for COVID-19 after attending an event to announce the president’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Few people were spotted in masks and were seated shoulder to shoulder.
Pence said that “many of the people” at the veent were tested for coronavirus and pointed out that the event was outdoors.
“President Trump and I trust the American people to make choices in the best interest of their health,” Pence said.
Pence accused Harris and former Vice President Joe Biden of focusing on coronavirus mandates, adding: “We’re about freedom and respecting the freedom of the American people.”
– Courtney Subramanian
Harris: Trump administration ‘inept’ dealing with virus
Sen. Kamala Harris accused the Trump administration of hiding information about the severity and lethality of the coronavirus after learning about it in late January.
Parents worried about their children getting sick. Workers worried about losing their jobs. But the administration was inept for failing to describe the risks they faced and the precautions there were necessary, Harris said.
“The American people have had to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration,” Harris said. “That is asking too much of the people.”
— Bart Jansen
Different candidates, different tone
Minutes into the presidential debate last month it was clear President Donald Trump came to the stage with a plan to aggressively confront Democrat Joe Biden.
It was equally clear just minutes into Wednesday’s vice presidential debate that both campaigns had reassessed their approach after that confrontation. Pence remained silent as Harris ripped into the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus.
“This administration has forfeited their right to reelection,” she said.
Harris was silent as Pence defended the high U.S. death toll, even as Pence took a shot at the former vice president over past scandals involving plagiarism.
“The reality is when you look at the Biden plan,” Pence says, “it looks a little like plagiarism.”
That, Pence said, is “something that Joe Bien knows a little bit about.”
During their first discussion period, both Harris and Pence quickly shot down interruptions from their opponents.
“I’m speaking,” Harris asserted as Pence tried to jump in.
The Sept. 29 presidential debate was widely panned after it quickly went off the rails as both candidates hurled insults at each other and Trump repeatedly interrupted Biden, forcing moderator Chris Wallace to press the president to allow Biden to speak.
In a clear recognition of the earlier debate, moderator Susan Page of USA TODAY offered a warning to the candidates at the start.
“We want a debate that is lively but America also deserves a debate that is civil,” she said.
— John Fritze
And they’re off
The first and only vice presidential debate of the 2020 election is underway.
Pence and Harris are facing off in Salt Lake City, Utah, at a critical moment in the race, as President Donald Trump is battling COVID-19, talks over a stimulus to blunt the economic impact of the pandemic has stalled (again) and several battleground polls show Democratic nominee Joe Biden with a narrow but growing lead.
The two candidates will fight it out for 90 minutes over the virus, the economy, health care and other issues. Trump’s approach to the presidency might come up, too.
— John Fritze
Donald Trump campaign event Monday in Pittsburgh? Campaign explores possibility
As Mike Pence and Kamala Harris debate, President Donald Trump’s aides are working to satisfy his desire to get back out on the campaign trail as soon as possible – perhaps early next week.
The campaign is exploring the prospect of an event on Monday in Pittsburgh, an aide said. The aide did not elaborate, saying only it would be an “event” and not a “rally” for the COVID-stricken president.
Trump, who is still recovering from the virus, also wants to make the debate with Joe Biden in Miami, scheduled for a week from Thursday.
It’s uncertain whether Trump will be able to make either campaign stop.
– David Jackson
You’re on your own, debate attendees
Getting a seat in the audience for a national debate is usually a hot ticket.
This year, as for many events taking place during the pandemic, there’s a big caveat in the fine print.
The Commission on Presidential Debates and the host site, the University of Utah, want ticket holders to know that when it comes to coronavirus, they’re on their own.
“The ticket holder relieves the CPD and the event site host of any and all liability of any kind and character….in the event of fire, natural disaster…injury or sickness (including COVID-19),” the ticket advises in red letters.
— John Fritze
Debate guests assemble
Guests who won the lottery for tickets to the vice presidential debate wore salmon-colored surgical masks issued by the host University of Utah.
Michelle Pedersen, 44, who is studying opera performance and who has performed on the stage where the candidates will appear, said she was excited about the experience.
“It will be incredibly memorable because we have a female, who is going to be fabulous, up there tonight,” Pedersen said.
Juliette Ainsworth, 40, from France, voiced some concern about the future because of COVID-19, but not health cares for the debate.
“I’m worried for the future but not for the debate tonight,” Ainsworth said. “I think everybody has been taken care of.”
Justin Ravago, 19, an undergraduate in business economics from Boise, Idaho, said he was looking forward to a more proper debate than the presidential candidates held last week.
“I want to hear what they have to say rather than a crossfire of words,” Ravago said.
— Bart Jansen
Backers of both sides make their case
The official protest area outside the security perimeter of the vice presidential debate seemed to be dominated not by supporters of either Mike Pence or Kamala Harris but by demonstrators upset about Turkey.
Still, there were enough people there for the presidential politics that some heated debates ensued.
“Make America what it was before Trump,” a Joe Biden supporter yelled back at a group of Donald Trump backers.
The Trump supporters booed as a truck drove by, blaming Pence, as chair of the administration’s coronavirus task force, for the number of people dying from COVID-19.
Chris Quinones, 52, of Park City, Utah, said she came to the campus to show her support for the president because she’s for “law and order.”
“We don’t want to see our country look like New York City,” she said.
Quinones, who wore an Army face mask and a blue Trump hat, said she voted for Hillary Clinton four years ago because, “I didn’t know any better.”
Quinones said her eyes were opened during the impeachment of the president. She felt that Trump’s actions were being taken out of context.
“I did a 180,” she said of her support for Trump.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
University of Utah students will attend the debate
The University of Utah held a ticket lottery for students, with 60 lucky winners allocated a seat in the hall.
“In order not to detract from the live televised event for the many millions of people watching the broadcast, live audience members shall refrain from expressing approval or disapproval of events on stage as the debate unfolds,” the tickets state.
Kingsbury Hall, the venue for tonight’s vice presidential debate, is the performing arts center on the University of Utah campus and opened in 1930. The debate seal — an eagle with the legend “The Union and the Constitution forever” — hangs from the ceiling.
The ticket also says members of the audience will not hold the Commission on Presidential Debates or the event host liable for any sickness including COVID-19.
— Bart Jansen
The view from across the street
Sophomores Cooper McGee and Jake Larsen sat in lawn chairs on the ledge outside the second-story windows of their student rental house, taking in the vice presidential spectacle across the street at the University of Utah.
“I figured we’d be missing out if we didn’t,” McGee, a 20-year-old from Boise, Idaho, who is studying business management at the university and had just finished an online class.
The Biden Harris 2020 signs in their yard made clear which side they’re supporting in the debate.
“I really don’t feel like America is headed in the right direction under Trump,” McGee said. “If I were not speaking out, then I’m not doing my part.”
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
Pence concedes on plexiglass
The spat over plexiglass is over – and the plexiglass won.
After Vice President Mike Pence requested plexiglass not be placed on his side of the vice presidential debate stage — arguing it wasn’t necessary to protect the spread of COVID-19 — the Pence team conceded late Tuesday.
Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., a co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates, told the New York Times that Pence’s staff agreed to accept the placement of the plexiglass dividers.
Pence and Harris will sit 12 feet and 3 inches from each other with tables in front of them. Plexiglass will be to each of their sides, photos of the debate stage show.
The Commission on Presidential Debates made the plexiglass part of new safety guidelines installed after President Donald Trump and several Republican allies tested positive for COVID-19 just days following last week’s first presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio.
But Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, objected, saying that it wasn’t needed because of other safety accommodations including daily testing and the extended separation between the candidates on stage.
“If she wants it, she’s more than welcome to surround herself with plexiglass if that makes her feel more comfortable,” Short told The Washington Post on Tuesday before later conceding.
— Joey Garrison
Who says debates can’t be fun?
Coronavirus. Bible. Systemic Racism. Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Those are some of the words that could win a Bingo during the vice presidential debate.
Customized “Debate Bingo” cards are scattered along the tables in the media filing hall at the University of Utah.
There’s even a Bingo stamping device (which this reporter initially thought was hand sanitizer) to stamp the cards as keywords rush by Mental fitness. Electoral College. Masks. Voter Fraud.
Bingo!
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
How to watch, what to watch in Harris-Pence matchup
Pence and Harris will meet Wednesday for their only debate. The 90-minute event begins at 9 p.m. ET and won’t be hard to find: It’ll be broadcast on every major network. Viewers streaming on USATODAY.com will have the added benefit of real-time fact-checking and political context.
What to watch for? To begin with, the debate comes as the nation has watched President Donald Trump fight his own case of COVID-19, and a steady stream of White House officials also test positive. That issue, and the issue of how the White House has responded, is guaranteed to be front and center.
There are other top themes as well. Both candidates will try to sell themselves as a credible replacement for whoever becomes the president in an election in which both candidates are in their mid-70s (Trump is 74 and Biden is 77). That dynamic in particular makes this vice presidential debate potentially more interesting than those that have come before it.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City, and John Fritze
Republican attorneys general attack Harris
Republican attorneys general slammed Kamala Harris ahead of Wednesday night’s vice presidential debate, accusing Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s running mate of spewing “dangerous rhetoric” and showing “absolute disregard for the rule of law.”
Attorneys general from Louisiana, Utah and Arkansas went after Harris’ record as California’s attorney general and as a U.S. senator, specifically citing her stance on immigration, energy, gun control, policing and other issues. The criticism could foreshadow Vice President Mike Pence’s line of attack against Harris during the debate at the University of Utah.
“Kamala Harris is dangerous and divisive,” Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge said during a news conference in Salt Lake City. “She had no business being the attorney general of California with her disregard for the rule of law. She has no business being a U.S. senator. And Kamala Harris certainly has no business being the vice president of the United States.”
Harris, who has served as California’s junior Democratic senator since 2017, was the state’s attorney general for six years before entering Congress. Republicans have heavily scrutinized her record as attorney general, arguing that it provides some insight to the kind of policies she would pursue if she and Biden are elected in November.
“We do not aspire the United States to be California,” said Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry, chairman of the Republican Attorneys General Association. “However, if we elect a Biden-Harris ticket, that’s exactly what the American people are going to get.”
— Michael Collins, Salt Lake City
Campaign: Harris’ goal is not to ‘eviscerate’ Pence
Many Biden campaign supporters are hoping to see Sen. Kamala Harris take on Vice President Mike Pence the way the former prosecutor went after Brett Kavanaugh, Jeff Sessions and others who have testified before the Senate committees on which she serves. (In fact, that was the first remark this reporter heard from her taxi driver after arriving in Salt Lake City on Tuesday.)
Harris’ tough debating reputation was also cemented by her attack on Joe Biden’s past opposition to busing during the Democratic presidential debates last year.
But Harris isn’t coming to the vice presidential debate stage “to eviscerate” Pence, said Symone Sanders, senior adviser to the Biden campaign.
“She is there to really talk to people at home and breakthrough about what they’re feeling, their lives and their families,” Sanders told reporters Wednesday morning.
That’s a smart strategy, according to Christine Matthews, a GOP pollster and Trump critic. Matthews tweeted that she understands Harris’ team has been studying research on how voters perceive women in these situations.
“She will be fighting stereotypes of a ‘nasty’ woman while she makes contrast points,” Matthews tweeted.
Research by the Barbara Lee Foundation shows voters will back a male candidate they don’t like, if they think that he’s qualified. But they won’t vote for a woman if she’s not “likeable.”
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
Poll: Voters more ‘cold’ than ‘warm’ on both Pence, Harris
Neither of the vice presidential candidates are eliciting warm, fuzzy feelings from a majority of voters, according to a new Pew Research Center survey released before the vice presidential debate.
About half (51%) of registered voters give Pence “cold” ratings and a slightly smaller share (48%) said the same about Harris.
Slightly more than one-third (36%) feel “warmly” toward Pence; 39% do about Harris.
The ratings largely reflect partisan differences with most Republicans feeling positive about Pence but negative about Harris. The reverse is true for Democrats, according to the Sept. 30-Oct. 5 survey of 11,929 adults, including 10,543 registered voters.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
Harris’ debate guests
Two of the limited number of guests Kamala Harris can bring to the debate under COVID restrictions are Utah residents who the campaign says represent “the communities and the families that a Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration will fight for.”
Teacher Deborah Gatrell is a Blackhawk pilot and Army National Guard veteran. She’s also the only Democrat running for the Salt Lake City council.
“As we all know, down-ballot change is where we see progress made,” Liz Allen, communications director for Harris, told reporters Wednesday.
State Rep. Angela Romero will also be cheering on Harris from inside the debate hall. The campaign called her a longtime community organizer for progressive causes, equality and social justice.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
Poll: Who will win debate vs. who is better prepared for the Oval Office
Who voters expect to win the vice presidential debate is different from which candidate they think is better prepared to become president, according to a new Morning Consult/Politico poll.
Voters surveyed Oct. 2-4 gave the debating edge to Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., over Vice President Mike Pence: 43% to 37%. That’s due primarily to independents picking Harris while Democrats and Republicans backed their party’s own running mates.
But 57% of voters said they believed Pence is prepared to step into the Oval Office if necessary compared with 50% for Harris.
Pence did better overall because more Democrats found him prepared to be president than the share of Republicans who said the same of Harris.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
Westward Ho!
The vice presidential candidates are staying in the West following their debate in Salt Lake City.
Vice President Mike Pence is scheduled to go to Nevada on Thursday and Arizona on Friday.
Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris are heading to Arizona on Thursday, where they’re expected to meet with American Indian tribal leaders and embark on a “Soul of the Nation” bus tour.
Harris’ husband, Doug Emhoff, is campaigning in Colorado on Thursday and Friday.
Biden is expected to be in Nevada on Friday.
— Maureen Groppe, Salt Lake City
